Well yeah its another rant about Sally and Amy Rose. But before I get to that just a little reflection question about....


love.


Now, there are those out there who "care" about me in that way, this is not the time to make public any agony or dispute you have over this concept. but here it is:


Lately, I thought to myself, why do many people desire to be with another person? Well most of them say that with their partner they're more complete, aren't lonely and so fourth. But to rely on your partner for those things only ends people up in heartbreak. Once you break up, or if you grow old together one of you dies the fear of lonliness a lack of being loved, etc that you tried running away from by establishing yourself with a partner ultimately comes to the surface. Is the whole point of many relationships pointless? To escape what cannot be escaped in some way shape or form? Speration will be inevitable. Whether by a breakup or death itself.

After the thought about this, I feel, that romantic relationships can happen, but if they're for the right reasons. The hardest part about it is to try brushing off getting in a relationship for the sole desire of being loved.

When you're in a relationship for "love" you are saying you have the ultimate care for someone (hey I can't think of a greater word for care in our language). If you care that much, its about thinking about the other person's needs, not your own. A relationship IMO should (but most of the time isn't) about being together to tend to the other's needs. In the end people find themselves in a relationship to fufill selfish desires of feeling loved. And the wrath of posession will befall a couple eventually.

If you want your partner simply to have them, even if your posession lasts a life time, one of you shall die, and you will feel the pain of losing your trophy. Posession doesn't win. Nor does infaturation. The superficial qualities about people (hair, skin, physical attractiveness) will die away in sure time. I think people should be careful about why they get into a relationship because the reality of it is that looks will fade and you'll be stuck with someone you have no reason to want anymore and alas you're unhappy.


Love wins. If you're in it for the desire to see them happy above all else, comprimise can come (if both are comprimising to the philosophy) even in death, the pain of not being loved isn't there because that wasn't what the relationship was about. The pain of losing your beloved trophy or cute boyfriend/husband isn't there either because it too wasn't apart of the relationship. If they died happy, you can feel complete not violated.

...but I'm just mindlessly rambling a crazy idea aren't I?


okay then, to the Sally/Amy rant!





Okay, so I'm in the middle of a messageboard conversation, and I get warned by a moderator because he says "I don't have the right to say what pairings people think are and are not better", trying to defend Sonic/Amy fans I "lashed" out on.

...idiots.

Okay, first of all, I wasn't directing it to all Sonic/Amy fans just the Sonic/Amy fans who don't know who Mina and Sally are. The topic says which pairing is BETTER! in order to know what's BETTER you need to at least need to know what the heck you're comparing. Does saying "Sally Acorn is prettier than Barbie Koala... but I dunno who Barbie Koala is (let alone what she looks like)!!!123"

NO!

It makes no sense to try comparing something with something else you don't know. So why am I being lashed out on just for saying these people have no right to be going to that topic to say who's better when they don't know every dynamic the topic started introduced to know which is the best?

Simple

and.... its sad. How overrated Amy Rose is. You have so many people who would go through the depths of stupidty just to defend an aneorexic, hobbyless, pink hedgehog who's next to Sally on the "lacking self worth" shelf. Yet she's "grrl p0wer" she's "adoreable" and so forth. I don't mean the comics, or even the STI video games of Amy (and as vain as she was I could appreciate her more), don't get me wrong. But I can't STAND this pink hedgehog I see in the games now.

***First off, before anyone tells me Amy's got a hobby in shopping, she in Sonic adventure does it to kill time, relying on Sonic to give her something fun to do. The fact she implied she's tried to find something fun was redeeming though, I think she was merely saying that in the end Sonic brings fun. I didn't see it as her lacking self worth, just stating a fact. But that was then...

and now...

She just has no worth for herself. and she's no longer the selfless female in Sonic adventure that I once appreciated either. In Sonic adventure she says "I'll make that Sonic respect me" and from then on more and more, we saw her personality take changes. At first we had the sympathetic Amy Rose who did things for Birdie out of the kindness of her heart, with no sign of personal gain for motivation in sight. But after the adventure she realized a desire for Sonic's respect. She then became more and more agressive through every game. Fighting him in Sonic Battle, and becoming borderline threatning to those who told her Sonic may not love her in battle. Her desires to help Emerl were now for a personal gain to win Sonic's respect in taking care of their "little one." In Sonic Adventure 2 she accompanies Tails to save Sonic, and when she finds him, she tries to get him to agree to marriage in exchange for his freedom. Realizing that she cannot break his will, she sets him free anyway. She is obviously molding her character into something she thinks Sonic will respect, being more aggressive through each failing attempt.

But at the same time she's being something she's not. When you look at the Amy in Sonic adventure, and then look at the one in Heroes/Battle, they're not the same anymore. In Heroes where was her attempt to save Froggy and Chacola because of that warm hearted sympathy that was present when she helped out Birdie? Gone, instead, her character HAS to be one-tracked minded to Sonic and her own ambitions to be married to a "shooting star." Where was she hitting Sonic to protect her own desires in Sonic adventure? When Sonic was about to kill Gamma she TALKED it out, when Shadow wasn't helping, she TALKED out the dispute. She was a great character who emphasized the fact that violence doesn't have to be the answer to everything and added a balance to the characters. But now whenever Sonic's around she has to be violent and agressive when things aren't her way, because she's finding no worth in her actual character.

If Sonic may not like her weight (reffering to battle), she needs to change it. The skinniest beanpole already she must continue to lose weight. If Sonic doesn't like her persona (which she felt evident in Sonic Adventure), she has to change that too. Amy's got so caught up into what would make Sonic respect her, she no longer desires her own self respect. Which sickens me to death. I don't like this new, bratty Amy Rose. I also don't see her chasing him as a signal of love. Rather a desire for respect and posession. She doesn't care if Sonic says he doesn't want her, or doesn't want to marry her, she persists anyway. If love is supposed to mean the ultimate care for someone in our language then why do people insist she LOVES Sonic? Does her not abiding by his wishes say anything about her not caring about how he feels, let alone if she has the ultimate care for him in any sense?

I won't lie, I really liked her Sonic Adventure self, when she was behaving how she really does and not trying to create some lie to win Sonic over for respect. What drives Amy to Sonic is through a commitment, she knows she's won the respect of someone who she perceives as cool and fun and her "hero." and I'll just stop before I end up repeating myself about Amy. To those who can still apreciate her character, well... sorry you had to hear this. Consider it the ramblings of a former Sonic Team Amy fan, perhaps you see something in her character I don't. I would agree she is a character to be pitied, but to say I respect her character would be a lie. .___. sorry guys.


...Another thing that ticks me off? People OOOHING and AHHING over Amy Rose just because they think her first appearance was made in an authentic Japanese game. Her appearance was Japanese, but it wasn't in any Sonic Team game. Most people credit Amy's birth being in the year 1993 with the debut of Sonic CD. That's NOT Amy's birthday unless we're going by what it is in games alone. The concept of Amy Rose dates back to 1 year prior to that (1992) and Amy Rose was the girlfriend of Nikki (who by God's power could transform into Sonic in the Japanese manga he was in)

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oh.. and she's not even pink. if you knew what color she was none of you would complain about Sally.

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the games took the concept within the series and went to adapt it. At the Sonic HQ, there is also a game that would've been dedicated to his little sister, who also appears in that same manga. So Amy Rose is not a game character, she's a comic character HAH!



I'm also looking back on eps of SatAM I hadn't accessed in years. And I didn't like Sally as much as I did then. The storyline depicted her as too... perfect, for my taste. That doesn't mean all the characters liked her behavior always, but in the end Sally's actions were always promoted as the right thing. She could be sarcastic, and a worry wart, but in the end when she didn't plan "enough" something would go wrong. Hence the storyline implied looking and tending to details was a good thing, when she was sarcastic it was normally to Antoine, who the story was already trying to get us to dislike in the first place. Would we condemn the characters for speaking ill of Robotnik? No, because he's menacing and "evil" good guys are meant to speak ill of him in the story, and the same goes with Antoine or when Sonic's personality was "ugly". Only Sonic wasn't menacing he was arrogant and egocentric, and Antoine was a cowardly pompus. If Sally was speaking or acting uninterested to them, it was usually because the story blantantly potrayed their personas as "bad." So what could've been some actual flaws for Sal in the cartoon in the end didn't detract from her character, and the story promoted then as "good" things anyway. I felt pressured to like her "ooh see how witty she iz?" "Ooooh look at how big her role is!" "Look how wonderful Sally's character is to our story" whats worse is that we had to add angst to her character.

So that not only is she perfect in the storyline's potrayl (our ideal girl) but we need to feel sorry for her above almost every other character, perhaps even Sonic. Sally losing her father, her kingdom and the stress of leading the Freedom Fighters presented almost if not more angst than Sonic's pain of losing Chuck, or any of the other problems any of the other Freedom Fighters were facing. But I try not to take it all to seriously because of course the story is going to make the ideal girl blatant, when looking at the age audience SatAM was targetted to. Then again, I didn't see myself interested in the characters as much as the storyline itself. So looking at how they had to handle it, I say the show itself was a good job. I just can't see myself becoming an avid Sally supporter because of SatAM, as she seemed a bit bland to me, and that's probably because I'm growing up and my standards are maturing with age. those standards are slowly exceeding the maturity set for the show for its target audience. So I can understand people growing up attatched to Sally, and I can understand people being wowed by how the storyline develops her, but I guess I'm moving on. and that chapter of life is now coming to an end.